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Professionals (e.g., Dai Vernon, who also annotated Erdnase's work in his 'Revelations') and amateurs (e.g., Martin Gardner, who tracked down the real identity of Erdnase-his summary appears at the end of this book) alike have used the material in 'The Expert at the Card Table' as a starting point for thinking, refining and inventing new card. Annotated Erdnase by Darwin Ortiz and Mike Caveney – pdf download The top card men in the world disagree on many things. One thing they all agree on is that no other book in the history of card manipulation deserves careful study more than The Expert at the Card Table.

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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks
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Apparently on some website there is a freely available (open source) PDF of the entire contents of 'Expert At The Card Table' Erdnase. There is also a Bobo's one available. I have the Bobo's book but not 'Expert At The Card Table'.
Where is this available? I'm extremely new to card magic and want to learn the top change for x finger.
milesg
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Unless I'm mistaking, this is a violation of copyright laws. Both of those books are still in print and are sold commercially. Expert at the Card Table is only $10 anyway. I suggest you buy a copy if you're really interested in practicing the methods described therein. Or if you're feeling extravagant, or want something to put on your Christmas list, get the 2008 Dai Vernon-Revelation book.
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On 2008-12-20 01:33, milesg wrote:
Unless I'm mistaking, this is a violation of copyright laws. Both of those books are still in print and are sold commercially. Expert at the Card Table is only $10 anyway. I suggest you buy a copy if you're really interested in practicing the methods described therein. Or if you're feeling extravagant, or want something to put on your Christmas list, get the 2008 Dai Vernon-Revelation book.

You are mistaken. Copyright law has changed since the publication of Erdnase and it is now in the public domain. The Dover edition can be copyright because they made a few minor changes to the original work.
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You are mistaken. 'Expert at the Card Table' is in the public domain. That's why it's available from multiple publishers. Money spent on these copies goes only to the publishers, not to Erdnase (obviously) or any of his descendants.
Fish Sticks, if you'd like to feel more comfortable downloading it from a respected magic site, then the below link takes you to Genii, where it was offered as a freebie.
http://www.geniimagazine.com/forums/ubbt......r=172436
The Burnaby Kid
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At one point you could find the PDF through Genii, and I believe it's available through the Learned Pig? Also, because it's public domain, it doesn't matter how you find it, even if you use networks that are more commonly associated with IP theft by reputation.
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On 2008-12-20 01:12, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
I'm extremely new to card magic...

Erdnase claims to be a 'post graduate course' and has historically proven quite frustrating for beginners.
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I have never cared much for the PDFs. If I can't hold it I never feel like I will use it.
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On 2008-12-20 03:09, Juliegel wrote:
If I can't hold it I never feel like I will use it.
Juliegel

Careful... I think I said that to my Pops one time when he caught me...
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silverking
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Although the actual text of Erdnase is not covered by copyright, not every scan or .pdf file is a legitimate download, and some Erdnase editions are themselves copyrighted as stand-alone works.
Some (like the lybrary.com electronic file, or scans of the Dover print edition) are copyrighted, and not legal free downloads.
The Dover edition has some changes from previous editions that make it easily distinguishable if it's scanned or OCR'd.
The best quality, legitimate freebie is over on the Genii forum..., but contrary to some information in this thread, not every EATCT is free for the taking.
garcia00
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On 2008-12-20 11:46, silverking wrote:
Although the actual text of Erdnase is not covered by copyright, not every scan or .pdf file is a legitimate download, and some Erdnase editions are themselves copyrighted as stand-alone works.
Some (like the lybrary.com electronic file, or scans of the Dover print edition) are copyrighted, and not legal free downloads.
The Dover edition has some changes from previous editions that make it easily distinguishable if it's scanned or OCR'd.
The best quality, legitimate freebie is over on the Genii forum..., but contrary to some information in this thread, not every EATCT is free for the taking.

Correct. The original is in the public domain. Any editions which add to the original would be protected. Just reprinting the original with a new cover, or a forward, without adding new original material (annotations, tips) would not move the work out of the public domain. However, the cover or the forward could be considered covered by copyright law.
Open Traveller
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On 2008-12-20 11:36, JTW wrote:
Bobo's is still under copyright though isn't it?

No.
It's a pretty safe bet that if Dover has printed it, the original work is no longer under copyright protection, except for the books they've specifically contracted to be written (all the Karl Fulves 'Self-Working' books, for instance).
silverking
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I have always thought that large swaths of the original Bobo's was still under copyright, which is why the Dover edition can't include all the good stuff that you usually buy Bobo's for in the first place, only to find out that it's missing from the Dover edition.
The complete hard cover Magic Inc. Bobo's contains all of the original text of Bobo's, some of which has a copyright attached, and some of which doesn't.......at least that's what I've come to believe based on other posts here and elsewhere.
garcia00
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My 3rd print (1975) of the Magic Inc. Bobo has a July 1952 copyright by Cale W. Jones. Was the original text released earlier by Bobo, or did he transfer his copyright to Jones (or is Jones a psuedoname)?
Currently, you need to find the author and add the statutory number of years to his date of death. In the past (before 1964?), you had to renew every 28 years.
Anonymous works are different, and Erdenase is anonymous.
silverking
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The 6 or 7 chapters missing in the Bobo's Dover edition have had the copyright continually renewed by the current copyright holders right up until present day.
I recall the anecdote that Magic Inc. simply forgot to renew the copyright on the original version, so Bobo added a large amount of new material, took out another copyright on the new material, and thus we are left with two different versions of the book, one entirely in the public domain (Dover), and the other partially under copyright.
Brett Taylor
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On 2008-12-20 01:12, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
Where is this available? I'm extremely new to card magic and want to learn the top change for x finger.

Expert should not be at the top of your list of things to get a hold of because you are a beginner, it is probably way beyond your scope and not the place to start. look into something else. the book is great though
Demonbrn
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Thing's you'll have to watch out for in the 'Public Domain' pdf's are missing content, missing picture's, etc. It's more practical to just buy it.
Tom Denton
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The best public domain download is from http://www.erdnase.com. You get the 'Bible' edition which is essentially a facsimile of the 1st edition but with line numbers for ease of reference.
I would dispute the idea that Erdnase should be avoided by beginners. Although a lot of it will probably seem too advanced, I don't think it's ever too early to start familiarising yourself with the text. It can then be re-read as the student becomes more familiar with card magic, and appreciated in a new way each time. Plus, I think certain moves, such as the bottom deal and two-handed shift, are best learned from Erdnase first.
silverking
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Erdnase's writing in the first third of the book on card table artifice is for everybody, rank beginner to advanced professional.
Which is not to say that the book reveals everything to the first time reader.......I'm still discovering things 35 years after first opening my first copy.
Many of the sleights Erdnase details are well within the domain of the beginner. Erdnase tests all readers with the density of his text, but the information contained within is solid gold for any level of card worker.
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